This dialogue explores how the human tendency to measure and compare—marks, progress, income, efficiency—slowly shapes our psyche and relationships. Through simple classroom examples, Kabir emphasizes how measurement breeds competition, anxiety, false happiness, and ultimately a stronger sense of self that divides us from one another. He connects this psychological pattern to larger societal issues such as economic inequality, technological efficiency, and alienation. The conversation urges students to observe how measurement conditions the mind and to explore whether the brain can be free of this “sense of self,” opening the possibility of cooperation, clarity, and a more meaningful life.
…what happens when, instead of thought-knowledge, one puts attention in the middle of the picture?
It was Kabir who introduced it… and it flowed from there.
This is… what I would call “the spirit of Kabir”.
It (attention) must not be left out of the equation; otherwise, what is left is ashes.
–Stephen Smith, (emeritus Brockwood Park staff member) 5th February, 2019.
Brockwood Park is the J. Krishnamurti school in the UK.